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and good evening everyone welcome to

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arcane radio i'm sean the fork chop

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forker

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a little under the weather tonight uh

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and i've got

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butch and lon on the line with us

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gentlemen good evening

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how you doing hey what's up

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oh you know my blood pressure and

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cholesterol you know how it goes

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yeah well welcome to the club

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i know i feel it well uh you know before

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get started off here for the evening and

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i let you kick it off phantom clowns

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still running rampant

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across the east coast uh actually in my

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hometown of williamsport pennsylvania

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where i'm live

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in darker day studios by the way uh

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there was a clown actually seen in my

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aunt's neighborhood it was hiding behind

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cars

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trying to scare people last night and

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apparently uh

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another part of pennsylvania somebody

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was stabbed

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by a person wearing a clown costume

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well i tell you what from what i

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understand

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today uh homeland security are

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now involved with this stuff and i think

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there's a warning gonna be going out

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sometime next couple weeks telling

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people do not wear clown suits for

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halloween

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and uh people are taking seriously i i

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happen to look today and

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i think they've had reports in 31 states

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well there was just one of the states

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passed a real fast

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law you know um that said

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you know we catch you it's a felony

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jesus christ well you know one of these

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one of the pardon the pun one of these

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clowns is going to get shot

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yeah i mean that's exactly what's going

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to happen somebody's going to get hurt

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real bad and that'll

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i mean you know they're going to jump

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somebody and that person is going to

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have a concealed carry and it's going to

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be all over

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i just did i mean i'd be damned i'd be

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out there in a clown suit now and you

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know

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just like being in a bigfoot suit why

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the hell would you want to go out there

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well you want anybody purposely stir the

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crap and

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somebody's going to get trigger happy

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boom there's a one dead bozo pun

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intended

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one dead bozo so that's what we're all

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with that i just wanted to

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update our listeners that the phantom

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clown is now becoming the phantom menace

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and uh not directed by george lucas

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well the last guy that did that uh

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bigfoot suit didn't work out too well

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when he jumped out from a truck trying

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to spare the driver

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yeah i was in oregon got killed so this

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is what these pranks do guys these guys

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they get themselves all jocked up and uh

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liquid couraged or whatever it is the

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hell they're doing and they're being

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jackasses and going out there all

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willy-nilly and they're going to get

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themselves lined up for a uh

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a good old-fashioned killer because

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that's uh what we're seeing

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people are going to take this too far

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and i have no idea what it is i guess

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there's no explanation for it what you

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have is probably somebody

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starting a trend you know going out

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there and and being silly

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marketing and when people realize this

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was getting out of hand they're like oh

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let's stop this marketing campaign

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and then some real mentally ill people

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are out there like hey let's keep going

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and now let's kick it up a notch

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bam now you've got this crazy clown

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scenario going on

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well what happened from what i

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understand originally happened there was

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a vile campaign the original thing

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uh this is the thing that started in

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iowa from what i understand

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then this these pair got

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these two guys that a guy and a girl who

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professional clowns they thought they

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were going to get into it and do some

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you know do this to advertise their

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business and apparently

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uh they went out in the woods and

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and they thought that was pretty cool

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you know well surprised so it got in the

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and then excuse me then you know it got

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to where it's at now so

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it's just it's just ignorance

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well at the end of the day it is what it

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you gotta learn the hard way we'll have

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tulpa clowns out there now and

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just like slender man and uh

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well you know i i told you i was having

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that conversation the other day and i

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earlier in the week that you know who's

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it may have gone to that i mean i don't

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suspect it could be a possibility and uh

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what are we going to do that's it just

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report on

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him keep it going until there's a

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resolution to this strange

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strange event well work

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show tonight and um

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it kind of caught well it does

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concentrate on an era the area where

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when people think of adams county they

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but this you know this book that timothy

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wrote uh has very little to do with

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other weird stuff that's going on in the

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and uh i'm telling you that there has

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been a lot going on over years

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and he did a he did a very good job of

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researching this thing so timothy renner

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talk about a little bit that

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this past week um i was sent this

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one is this transcription from

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uh radio show where a gentleman by the

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name of mickey in kentucky called

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into i think it was darkness radio i'm

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he wanted to he said i want to tell

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about my experience

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it was a 1980 and it was on the 1st of

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we were out [\h__\h] hunting one night and

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hayfield near the woods we turned our

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dogs loose and they took off

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moving like a triangle it would go to

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all the hair stood up in our arms i

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what in the world is that he just he was

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just standing there completely stiff

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he remembers nothing about it to this

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says he remembers nothing about it

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like i said his eyes were just like

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it was a negative experience

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that god told him to get religious like

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i said i asked him several times what

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seeing anything i don't remember feeling

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making that rectangle waiting for

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that feeling because as soon as it hit

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we felt it i felt it and boom it was

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there was four of them split apart and

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in a blink of an eye now this was you

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um first of all you gotta be thinking

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you know people have been you know

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trying to come up with the scenario why

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the black guy kids or black-eyed people

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i mean is is it

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uf i mean connection who knows i don't

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that they found religion after ufo and

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non-terrestrial encounters as well

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many people said that alien beings in

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particular higher order aliens

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which insectoids and

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reptilians have told them that they are

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spiritually committed to a supreme

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you know is this really any different

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than how humans describe their spiritual

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beliefs

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to make a reference to this david

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eckhart was the one

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these higher order aliens explained to

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about being connected to a supreme

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energy and they're pretty fanatic about

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feel that the prey to is that isn't is

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this just one supreme being one supreme

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energy

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i don't know but you know they're

287
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they're

288
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i can understand where this guy

289
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just suddenly started religion or

290
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you know whatever it was he found but

291
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i thought that was quite an interesting

292
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any questions

293
00:11:02,389 --> 00:11:01,829
well there have been over time there

294
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have been

295
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um some ufology that have put

296
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tried to put the visitations or inciting

297
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reports

298
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to um want let's say one religious

299
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movement or another

300
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and um you know

301
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it's like he said you know could it be

302
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yeah i guess it could you know if we're

303
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just

304
00:11:33,670 --> 00:11:30,800
keeping that open mind again i mean you

305
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can't you can't shrug off everything

306
00:11:41,190 --> 00:11:36,720
and you shrug off anything so

307
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uh it's it's a fascinating way of

308
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looking at something

309
00:11:46,710 --> 00:11:44,079
though because you know that that

310
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affects everything

311
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you know it just doesn't affect a

312
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certain report but i mean

313
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i mean it could affect as well you know

314
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that'd be just like saying disclosure

315
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is going to happen tomorrow at 10

316
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o'clock yeah

317
00:12:03,910 --> 00:12:01,920
you know well i guess there's no real

318
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answer to that i mean you know i have

319
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now i had a lot of people get back to me

320
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on this

321
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and um several of them are actually

322
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ufology researchers uh

323
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crop circle researchers couple people

324
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that

325
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they had their

326
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kind of went the game range

327
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in the gamut of their you know what they

328
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thought it was

329
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uh i think for the most part if i had to

330
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go

331
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and take an overall synopsis of what

332
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they were trying to explain

333
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they probably feel they felt that it

334
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probably wasn't related to

335
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to the incident but i just find that

336
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hard to believe i mean i i think it had

337
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something to do with the incident

338
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um on a spiritual level that is

339
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i i don't you know oh sure

340
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yeah i can't think it was something that

341
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just happened physically

342
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um i mean i

343
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i think there there was definitely

344
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a mental or conditioning some type

345
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you know so i don't know i don't know

346
00:13:20,069 --> 00:13:18,079
another thing these abductees also

347
00:13:22,230 --> 00:13:20,079
mention stuff like that yeah sure

348
00:13:24,949 --> 00:13:22,240
yeah and that's what i was saying i i've

349
00:13:26,389 --> 00:13:24,959
had i've had several abductees and

350
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experiences

351
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tell me similar stories uh

352
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but i've also had several tell me that

353
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they

354
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completely threw off religion after the

355
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experience

356
00:13:44,550 --> 00:13:40,800
so it worked both ways so uh

357
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i don't know i don't know

358
00:13:50,150 --> 00:13:47,519
anyway i got a i got another email this

359
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week um

360
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from an individual who said that they

361
00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:54,480
had read

362
00:14:01,350 --> 00:13:57,680
the post i put up about the unknown

363
00:14:04,870 --> 00:14:01,360
activity in mingo county west virginia

364
00:14:06,629 --> 00:14:04,880
and he wanted to detail some

365
00:14:08,790 --> 00:14:06,639
bigfoot activity that was occurring

366
00:14:13,269 --> 00:14:08,800
around their homes

367
00:14:16,870 --> 00:14:13,279
um he said we live in marion

368
00:14:19,750 --> 00:14:16,880
county florida in our hard couple

369
00:14:22,069 --> 00:14:19,760
we are in a neighborhood very near the

370
00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:22,079
ocala national forest

371
00:14:29,829 --> 00:14:25,760
now as a lot of people know ocala is

372
00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:29,839
well known for uh skunk ape and other

373
00:14:32,550 --> 00:14:31,839
bigfoot activity and a lot of other

374
00:14:36,389 --> 00:14:32,560
stuff and

375
00:14:37,430 --> 00:14:36,399
ufo a lot of strange stuff has happened

376
00:14:40,629 --> 00:14:37,440
in that forest

377
00:14:43,829 --> 00:14:40,639
it's a large it's a it's a large reserve

378
00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:43,839
um i don't think people are allowed in

379
00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:44,320
there

380
00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:46,800
by law but apparently people do make it

381
00:14:50,509 --> 00:14:47,760
in there

382
00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:50,519
well anyway we when we moved here in

383
00:14:54,550 --> 00:14:52,720
2014

384
00:14:57,509 --> 00:14:54,560
we were told of strange sightings in the

385
00:14:59,350 --> 00:14:57,519
area in particular bigfoot

386
00:15:01,590 --> 00:14:59,360
we had moved from new york city so i

387
00:15:03,430 --> 00:15:01,600
figured it was just a bunch of hogwash

388
00:15:05,269 --> 00:15:03,440
just like the alligators at the new york

389
00:15:07,829 --> 00:15:05,279
sewers

390
00:15:10,230 --> 00:15:07,839
uh to make a long story short here's a

391
00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:10,240
list of things going on here

392
00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:13,199
uh howling late at night intense

393
00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:16,079
guttural screams to be exact

394
00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:17,760
many times they come from different

395
00:15:23,110 --> 00:15:21,040
directions at one time

396
00:15:25,030 --> 00:15:23,120
uh i know the bigfoot are making the

397
00:15:25,990 --> 00:15:25,040
noise because we haven't encountered

398
00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:26,000
them

399
00:15:30,790 --> 00:15:28,720
one broke my side garage door not long

400
00:15:32,949 --> 00:15:30,800
after we moved in

401
00:15:35,509 --> 00:15:32,959
we weren't home at the time but i have

402
00:15:37,829 --> 00:15:35,519
no doubt that's what did the damage

403
00:15:39,350 --> 00:15:37,839
my wife saw a young one in her garden

404
00:15:41,910 --> 00:15:39,360
one evening

405
00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:41,920
she turned the on the porch light and it

406
00:15:45,590 --> 00:15:42,720
scampered

407
00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:45,600
into the brush she described it as four

408
00:15:50,790 --> 00:15:46,720
foot or so with

409
00:15:54,790 --> 00:15:52,389
they like to leave things around the

410
00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:54,800
yard and patio usually it's others

411
00:15:59,509 --> 00:15:56,480
people's garbage

412
00:16:01,509 --> 00:15:59,519
cans and bottles for the most part i

413
00:16:03,590 --> 00:16:01,519
don't want to encourage this activity by

414
00:16:06,949 --> 00:16:03,600
leaving something for them

415
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:06,959
but i'm sure they mean no harm

416
00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:10,000
also i've never been never seen

417
00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:12,639
another animal in our yard which i

418
00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:14,480
believe is unusual because of where we

419
00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:16,320
live

420
00:16:21,509 --> 00:16:19,600
um we feel that the bigfoot room soon

421
00:16:24,629 --> 00:16:21,519
near to our property

422
00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:24,639
as small animals avoid the area this

423
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:26,399
could be the wrong assumption but the

424
00:16:32,389 --> 00:16:29,279
lack of raccoons possums etc

425
00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:32,399
is strange now

426
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:34,480
i'm not going to take try and take

427
00:16:38,870 --> 00:16:36,959
photographs because i believe

428
00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:38,880
that they know better and that it would

429
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:41,440
anger them a fellow on our block tried

430
00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:43,199
to set out a motion

431
00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:45,600
sensitive camera well the damage they

432
00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:47,360
endured from a bigfoot

433
00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:49,279
which included a busted camber broken

434
00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:51,600
lawn furniture and uprooted plants

435
00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:55,040
changed those plans i have no people

436
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:57,920
excuse me i have seen people going into

437
00:17:01,829 --> 00:17:00,079
the forest at other locations

438
00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:01,839
and it's obvious that they are searching

439
00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:04,000
for bigfoot even though the wildlife

440
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:06,959
is protected my feeling is that they

441
00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:07,919
should leave these

442
00:17:11,429 --> 00:17:10,400
creatures alone though i doubt they'll

443
00:17:14,230 --> 00:17:11,439
ever find it

444
00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:14,240
find one they're very keen and aloof

445
00:17:16,829 --> 00:17:14,640
almost

446
00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:16,839
magical in a way they go about their

447
00:17:21,429 --> 00:17:19,120
lives i didn't want to give

448
00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:21,439
out our exact location we don't want the

449
00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:23,280
bigfoot people trampling about our

450
00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:25,760
neighborhood

451
00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:29,200
so um you know he

452
00:17:32,549 --> 00:17:30,720
he actually didn't even leave me a phone

453
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:32,559
though but i had to go i had to email

454
00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:34,320
him back

455
00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:36,720
uh he gave me people in his neighborhood

456
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:38,799
or bigfoot research people

457
00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:40,640
well i don't know i mean i don't know

458
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:42,240
you know

459
00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:43,600
i'm quite sure he didn't know the

460
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:45,440
difference but he knows

461
00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:47,039
there's something to do with bigfoot so

462
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:49,039
he may have had signs in her vehicles or

463
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:50,960
something i don't know

464
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:53,280
uh apparently from what i he talked to

465
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:54,000
me about

466
00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:00,160
he didn't take care of any of them um

467
00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:02,799
so you know i'm not sure they're they've

468
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:05,120
learned to live with the bigfoot

469
00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:07,280
and or rather they'd be gone but you

470
00:18:09,990 --> 00:18:08,559
know

471
00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:10,000
i think they have gained a certain

472
00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:12,640
amount of respect for them so

473
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:14,880
you know i you know i'm sure they don't

474
00:18:20,549 --> 00:18:18,000
want anything happening to him

475
00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:20,559
so and from what i from what he told me

476
00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:21,039
he

477
00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:46,880
that's

478
00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:52,400
though i'll be honest with you if it is

479
00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:54,320
a skunk a skunky

480
00:19:00,549 --> 00:18:56,559
i've never heard a skunk ate doing that

481
00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:08,230
i don't know what you think um sean

482
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:10,310
what was that about the skunk ape one i

483
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:11,919
said you know i this is the first i've

484
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:12,720
heard

485
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:16,080
i mean if this was a skunk ape as and as

486
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:18,000
far as gifting that that would be

487
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:20,720
i believe the first time i've heard of a

488
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:22,080
skunk ache actually

489
00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:24,480
being accused of that i mean i know the

490
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:26,000
other bigfoot have but

491
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:28,559
you know i i don't know of an incident

492
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,280
down there in florida where

493
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:33,360
there's anybody talking about stone

494
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,799
capes gifting

495
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:36,960
humans i guess it all kind of depends

496
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:38,240
like it

497
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:40,799
i think you have to be into the line of

498
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:41,840
thought that uh

499
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:44,080
bigfoot creatures are different i think

500
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:45,520
the only thing that really makes them

501
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:46,559
different

502
00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:48,640
is their adaptation to their environment

503
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:50,799
that's why they're bigger in the pnw

504
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:53,760
and in the northeast and more uh

505
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:54,400
flexible

506
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:01,520
less bulky you know lighter colored and

507
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:03,039
the hair tends to be a little different

508
00:20:06,149 --> 00:20:04,320
on the sightings of the creatures you

509
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,159
see in the southwest and

510
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,480
even in parts of pennsylvania so i don't

511
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:10,080
know if it's the fact that there is no

512
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:12,080
gifting if folks even believe in gifting

513
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:12,640
but

514
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:14,000
i just don't know maybe it's just a

515
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:16,159
behavior that's not observed in skunk

516
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:16,720
ape

517
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:19,200
but i don't know i'm starting to hear a

518
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:20,000
lot more about

519
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:23,440
gifting uh yeah the western part of pa

520
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:24,720
i don't know what to make of it myself

521
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:27,600
oh really well i guess a lot of the

522
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,280
good thing from past reports has always

523
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:31,120
been in that arg in washington

524
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:33,280
you know in the heavily uh heavily

525
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:34,320
wooded areas

526
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:37,760
and i mean leave everything from toys to

527
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:39,039
food to clothing

528
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:41,200
i mean they leave everything and there's

529
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:42,559
some pretty good

530
00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:45,440
jc had that one incident where that one

531
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:46,840
was gifting

532
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:49,679
back i mean they get

533
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:53,360
you know gifts both ways yeah

534
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:55,600
oh yeah i mean you know jc had that one

535
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:56,720
where uh

536
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,880
you know i reported on where it and

537
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:01,039
eventually get the debt

538
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,200
that uh anasazi agate piece

539
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:07,120
and oh yeah yeah everybody got that

540
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:08,880
thing but they were

541
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:12,720
gifting back and forth for several days

542
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:15,200
putting stuff out and getting stuff so

543
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:16,240
um

544
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:19,679
i don't know you know

545
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:21,520
i think that's the first time that gc

546
00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:23,360
ever mentioned that or

547
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,039
you know as far as the the bigfoot

548
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:28,960
that are down there and you know down

549
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:31,360
there in the four corners area but

550
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:34,559
i don't know i'd have to talk to uh

551
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:37,360
i'd have to talk to david weatherly and

552
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,559
a few other people down there about that

553
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:42,159
i mean we have a lot of people coming on

554
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:46,159
the show uh in the next several weeks

555
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:49,200
that are that actually

556
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:53,039
are bigfoot hunters so uh

557
00:22:03,669 --> 00:21:56,640
are researchers so maybe i remember i

558
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:06,710
i think it's worth the ask lawn yeah

559
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:10,559
i think i think that you know bigfoot

560
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:13,600
in general is you know i

561
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,919
i just don't see it being a bunch of

562
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:17,600
different types of creatures i think

563
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:20,080
there's just varieties of

564
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:23,440
of this uh entity being creature

565
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:24,640
whatever you want to call it that just

566
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,320
is more adaptable to its environment i

567
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:28,000
think the behavior

568
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,919
though areas may seem to be more

569
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,760
aggressive i think they all have

570
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,120
aggressive moments and i think the

571
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,520
gifting may be something of a similar

572
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:37,840
behavior if it happens i just know

573
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:40,320
that folks in western pa are starting to

574
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,039
report

575
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:43,039
more gifting a particular group of

576
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:44,080
researchers

577
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:51,990
that's cool so

578
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,280
that's about all i have right now um

579
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,080
so i'm just gonna go ahead and introduce

580
00:23:02,870 --> 00:22:59,760
our guest and we'll get him on here

581
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:02,880
um timothy renner is an accomplished

582
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:04,000
musician

583
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,039
as well as a member of seekers encrypted

584
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:08,880
and paranormal investigation group

585
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,080
located in south central pa

586
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,480
his book beyond the seventh gate

587
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,320
exploring toad road

588
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,080
the seven gates of hell and other

589
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,840
strangest new york

590
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:22,080
lancaster and adams counties was

591
00:23:25,789 --> 00:23:23,760
published recently

592
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,799
extensive research and on-site

593
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:28,080
exploration was combined

594
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,559
to dispel urban ledges while revealing

595
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,159
stranger truths

596
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:35,039
true tales of bigfoot creatures witches

597
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:35,679
ghosts

598
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:39,679
werewolves and flying phantoms

599
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:43,279
so um we'll go ahead and take a break

600
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:44,080
here and

601
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:47,840
we'll get timothy on the phone and to

602
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:48,880
join us and

603
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:52,080
we'll be back in a bit into uh right at

604
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,440
the get-go line i want to

605
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,279
thank you for for all you do for this

606
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:56,880
community i mean your

607
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:59,440
phantom is a monster is a real great

608
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:00,559
resource and you've been

609
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:03,279
a you were a great help to me throughout

610
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,720
the book and and uh

611
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,400
very kind and letting me use some

612
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:08,320
encounters you collected so thank you

613
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,360
all right i i thank you for

614
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,679
um stating that and uh it was my

615
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,279
pleasure i mean this

616
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:17,760
this part of country's uh part of the

617
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:18,559
state is

618
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,960
uh where i was born and raised and i

619
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:23,200
moved back up here a couple months ago

620
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,919
so

621
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,919
yeah i'm glad anything i could provide

622
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:27,520
for you and it is

623
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:29,440
the book is fantastic it's got a lot of

624
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:32,480
stuff in there i never even knew about

625
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,840
so uh why don't you tell us a little bit

626
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:36,000
about yourself and then uh go ahead and

627
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:37,120
start off

628
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:39,919
and start telling us about the book sure

629
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:40,400
thing

630
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:43,679
um well i was born in in

631
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:46,720
1970 which a as a great uh

632
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:49,840
time to to come on the heels of

633
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:53,440
patterson gimlin and and

634
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,640
grew up watching in search of and just

635
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,480
became fascinated with this stuff at an

636
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:00,799
early age

637
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,640
and i grew up in northern maryland um

638
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,640
and around that time i always took an

639
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,640
interest in folk tales and ghost stories

640
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,400
and whatever i could

641
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,799
when i moved to york county it was in

642
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,360
the mid 1990s

643
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:17,600
and of course i immediately started

644
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,720
asking around

645
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:21,120
about uh you know ghost stories or weird

646
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:23,200
stuff or anything

647
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:26,720
and at that time i was told a story

648
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:27,200
about

649
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:30,799
toad road and the original story i heard

650
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,080
back in the 1990s was that uh

651
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:36,720
it was just a very haunting phrase that

652
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:37,840
that

653
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,600
my wife told me she had gone to day camp

654
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,600
on a road called jerusalem school road

655
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:45,200
which parallels toad road

656
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:48,480
on the other side of the doors creek

657
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:52,000
and a kid or or a

658
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,520
a councillor there i'm not sure which

659
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,000
had told her i pointed over to toad road

660
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,080
and they just said that's toad road over

661
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:00,480
there don't look behind you on toad road

662
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:03,360
and that's all that she was told and uh

663
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:04,000
it was very

664
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,600
very haunting i always kind of filed

665
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,159
that in the back of my head

666
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,279
over time um i joined an

667
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:14,159
email group uh back this is back in the

668
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:15,679
late 90s

669
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,320
probably uh that was dedicated to local

670
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:20,400
legends and so forth and

671
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:22,240
there was a group of people when they

672
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:24,000
are the kind of legend seekers and so

673
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:27,279
forth and at some point they decided

674
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:27,919
they

675
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,840
that the legend of the seven gates of

676
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:31,760
hell was associated with toad road

677
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:34,480
which when i first moved here that was i

678
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,840
had always heard that associated with

679
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:36,960
sex hollow which is

680
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,200
raymar's howl or a local cemetery

681
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:43,360
i'd never heard that before and but and

682
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:45,039
then they came up with this story about

683
00:27:27,269 --> 00:26:45,520
a

684
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:27,279
house

685
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,799
that's what's back there and then the

686
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,640
town fathers of york don't want people

687
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:36,000
to know this story

688
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:39,679
and it's it's just pretty crazy

689
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:43,520
um so i started digging

690
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:46,399
and there's nowhere in the county of

691
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:47,840
york has there ever been a dedicated

692
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:48,799
building that was a

693
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:52,080
mental hospital or an insane asylum it's

694
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:55,279
it's it just never was and

695
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:58,240
this is an old uh i don't think the road

696
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,520
was anything ever more than a

697
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,279
than a graded stone road anyway they're

698
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:03,600
not going to put any kind of hospital

699
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,120
on a road like that so

700
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,520
they blame this this doctor well not

701
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:11,200
they i think subsequent ghost story

702
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:12,080
books had kind of

703
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,840
i think people just started looking in

704
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,120
the area to see well

705
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:17,360
where's the doctor in the area and they

706
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,320
found this guy

707
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:20,559
this dr belknap who who did live in the

708
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,360
area he lived

709
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,520
on trout run road which is very close to

710
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,600
toad room

711
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:27,279
and they said well he was he was the

712
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,039
head doctor but

713
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,919
i did a a a lot of research on him he

714
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,520
was a cardiologist and

715
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:36,240
and uh he never worked at any mental

716
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,279
hospital like the ghost story book said

717
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:41,840
he seems like he was quite a a model

718
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,480
citizen he fought in both world wars

719
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,559
he did a lot of work for charities

720
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,480
around the new york area

721
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,640
he taught it both johns hopkins and uh

722
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,159
upenn

723
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:54,320
so this isn't the kind of guy that's

724
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:55,600
going to be

725
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,799
you know keeping mental patients in his

726
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:00,799
house

727
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,279
so i kind of dispelled all these rumors

728
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,360
but what i did find is witnesses

729
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:09,360
reporting a lot of strange things

730
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:12,799
back there and the things they're

731
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:13,440
reporting

732
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:16,880
anything to do with ghosts

733
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:19,360
well if you go back there and you're

734
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:20,880
looking for ghosts and you hear a scream

735
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:21,440
in the woods

736
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,960
you're going to attribute it to a ghost

737
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:24,720
that's that's kind of where i landed on

738
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:25,600
it

739
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,159
but what they were reporting was being

740
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:30,000
stalked in the woods

741
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:31,919
things peeking from trees at them

742
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:34,159
screams in the woods the the most common

743
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,360
thing was a woman screaming

744
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,559
back there gibberish language sounds

745
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,799
like babies crying

746
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:45,360
and i'm sure you've read enough bigfoot

747
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:46,480
accounts to know that

748
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:49,760
this is kind of bigfoot behavior

749
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,960
uh this kind of active stalking type

750
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:54,559
stuff being paced in the woods

751
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,080
things like that right so i started

752
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,320
looking

753
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:02,159
more along those lines and seen what i

754
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:03,679
could find

755
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:06,880
and i did find a newspaper report from

756
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,480
1973 a local man was attacked by what he

757
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:12,720
called a green-haired monster

758
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:15,279
right back in the area he was hurt badly

759
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:18,320
enough to get sent to the hospital

760
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:21,679
and i know green hair sounds outrageous

761
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:22,320
but

762
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:25,600
um if you look into other accounts like

763
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,880
honey island swamp monster and right and

764
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:30,320
uh some accounts like that they're

765
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:33,760
talking about bigfoot having you know

766
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:36,640
mildew or mold kicked in his fur or else

767
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,200
leaves

768
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:39,840
you know kicked in it may not be so

769
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:40,640
outrageous

770
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:43,840
um the green hair account

771
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:47,200
we have received reports like that

772
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,919
uh in the past you know in it yeah yeah

773
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:51,600
with the you know greenish color

774
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,159
uh moss and such we have received

775
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,320
reports actually in pennsylvania

776
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:58,320
um and it's i wanted to mention

777
00:31:02,630 --> 00:30:59,440
something to you as well

778
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:02,640
that area around where the doors

779
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,159
furnace and up and down um doors creek

780
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:08,240
there have been bigfoot sightings up and

781
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:11,200
up around there in the last several

782
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,760
years

783
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,760
um i don't know which ones you may have

784
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,039
covered but

785
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,519
you know not all of them got in you know

786
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:19,679
got reported

787
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,120
um and as well we've been getting

788
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:25,360
and yeah sean can verify this we've been

789
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:26,559
getting a lot of

790
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:30,399
um bigfoot reports up and down the

791
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:31,519
susquehanna on

792
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:35,120
the york county side as opposed to uh

793
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,519
you know

794
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,840
the lancaster side like chickies rock in

795
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:39,360
that area but

796
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:43,120
the uh on the uh york county side

797
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,320
we have had numerous sightings in the

798
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:48,799
last couple years

799
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,919
yeah that's what that's picking up

800
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:54,240
there were reports up there i guess uh a

801
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:56,000
couple years back and then and then

802
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:57,760
the fellow who did those reports i

803
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,360
talked to him uh he's in the book um

804
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:03,760
he said he found more footprints this

805
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:05,120
year um

806
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,799
his uh this is up um i forget the

807
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,640
township up there but it's right where

808
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,399
you're talking about

809
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:15,039
the northern part close to the river and

810
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:15,440
uh

811
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:19,519
they described as

812
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,039
uh orangutan beating up a dog

813
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:25,919
is that right yeah yeah we don't have

814
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:28,799
orangutans so

815
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:31,519
uh so yeah that that's definitely and i

816
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:31,840
had

817
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:34,240
another report it came too late to go in

818
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:36,080
the book um

819
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,600
but it was one of the islands in the

820
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:39,440
susquehanna where people camp someone

821
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:40,399
told me

822
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,159
and again that's right up there that

823
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:43,919
that he was camping there and had a had

824
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:44,559
a uh

825
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:47,120
some kind of encounter i i forget the

826
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,559
details i think he said it was

827
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:50,880
kind of pacing around his campsite and

828
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:51,600
so forth

829
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:54,720
mm-hmm wow so yeah

830
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,000
they're this toad road thing

831
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,200
i you know i heard about this when i was

832
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:03,600
younger back in the 60s and i you know i

833
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:05,279
really didn't think much of it

834
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:08,880
but i will tell you i i know there were

835
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,159
a lot of different stories

836
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:13,120
up around that area but the only thing i

837
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:13,760
ever

838
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:16,000
heard around that area was up there

839
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:16,960
cador's

840
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,159
furnace and there used to be there used

841
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:21,840
to be a story about an old

842
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,880
granny magic woman that used to live up

843
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:25,679
there

844
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:28,799
that everybody thought

845
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,000
were absolutely bonkers and she'd run

846
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:34,000
people off and they weren't sure if she

847
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:35,360
was actually alive

848
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:39,120
or she was a spirit so

849
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,480
i i don't know if you heard anything

850
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,279
about that but that was something that

851
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:46,080
i heard among people around around this

852
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:47,840
area where i live in hanover

853
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:50,240
but that was back in the 60s so i don't

854
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:51,200
know

855
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:54,960
a lot of weird stuff has happened

856
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:58,320
i think so and i think uh i

857
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,679
well i i believe that that for whatever

858
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:03,600
reason certain areas kind of draw this

859
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:04,000
stuff

860
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,440
in i don't know why or how but

861
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,919
everywhere i found you know bigfoot

862
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:11,679
sightings it seems i found

863
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:14,480
other stuff too in in the book um just

864
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:16,079
about everywhere but these places like

865
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,720
code road

866
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:18,399
you'll find ghost stories you'll find

867
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,760
bigfoot you'll find

868
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:21,760
and toad road just i essentially led

869
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:23,679
right to the furnace

870
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:27,359
right so it went up and

871
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:30,720
it was closed in 1973 i believe 72

872
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:34,000
hurricane agnes washed it out and

873
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:37,679
that's when it was finally closed right

874
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:41,200
so yeah that's right it's basically a

875
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:41,679
path

876
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,800
right now um but if you if you go back

877
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:47,040
there and i didn't

878
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,800
when i was writing the book i was i was

879
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,040
trying to get the story down

880
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:53,040
and i i noted all the all the trees

881
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:54,399
pushed across the path but

882
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,280
i i didn't really note that as as uh

883
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,760
bigfoot behavior too but the more

884
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,520
the more i research and stuff the more i

885
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,960
find out is it's

886
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,880
you know you hear about that more and

887
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,160
more where they just

888
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,640
they'll push over trees you know try to

889
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,400
keep people out or maybe to mark their

890
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:11,760
territory

891
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:15,119
but that uh tow road is i mean several

892
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:16,240
trees down

893
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,119
all through it what part of maryland do

894
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,880
you grow up

895
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,960
northern maryland um northern baltimore

896
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:24,240
county not not too far from the

897
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,440
pennsylvania line

898
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,520
oh okay well i mean you know i lived

899
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,599
down there for almost 40 years and

900
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:31,520
i had a big foot encounter in maryland

901
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,470
down to southern carroll county but

902
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:40,480
in northern baltimore county have had a

903
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:42,839
lot of settings as well

904
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,680
and i know i never had one i

905
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,839
mean i spent my whole life in the woods

906
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:49,920
and and in fact um

907
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,880
bob canton had let me read through a uh

908
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,800
an old um

909
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:57,040
it was like an old photocopied like

910
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,320
account of all these different

911
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,960
uh bigfoot sightings in maryland it's

912
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,119
really interesting

913
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,839
but uh i didn't get any any anyone near

914
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:07,520
the farm where i grew up i was kind of i

915
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,720
was excited to see but

916
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:10,800
but uh i don't know i don't know why but

917
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,079
there were there weren't any

918
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:14,400
well there's been a there's been a

919
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:15,520
recent

920
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:18,960
uptake of uh sightings in southern

921
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,440
hartford county recently and down there

922
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:23,920
around edgewood and

923
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:27,040
uh near to the uh river you know as it

924
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:28,720
goes into the bay

925
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,079
and uh i've had i've had a lot of people

926
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:33,920
sending me

927
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:36,960
all kinds of photographs of

928
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:39,839
huge wood structures and all kinds of

929
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:40,800
that's uh

930
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:43,839
all kinds of crazy stuff so i don't know

931
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,240
it's

932
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,200
uh i i talked to one gentleman who's a

933
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:49,599
police officer and he uh

934
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:53,040
he had an encounter in his yard actually

935
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:56,320
not far from uh up in hartford county so

936
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:59,680
uh yeah it's um i don't know it's just

937
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,800
this area i

938
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:02,800
for whatever reason and you know when

939
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:04,160
you talk about

940
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,280
southern pa and northern maryland

941
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,320
you don't really think about bigfoot but

942
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:13,200
you know there has been a lot of weird

943
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,480
stuff

944
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,880
that has transpired in this part of the

945
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:18,960
country i mean it's just

946
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:22,160
it really has and uh unfortunately a lot

947
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:22,560
of

948
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:27,119
and that's why i was so glad to see

949
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,320
him out with this book uh you know you

950
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,640
really kind of put in perspective

951
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,040
on what's been going on around here and

952
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:36,640
uh

953
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:40,960
paying attention

954
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,200
well i try i try to what i usually say

955
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:44,960
is what i do is i try to connect the

956
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:45,599
dots

957
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,599
and uh right in order to do that i'd

958
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:51,359
had to be thorough you know like really

959
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:52,880
really thorough um

960
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,640
and try to just document everything i

961
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:56,880
could

962
00:38:01,829 --> 00:38:00,000
uh the the but i still i was shocked

963
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,839
i was shocked at the number of just just

964
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,119
take bigfoot if you

965
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,599
remove all the other cryptids you know

966
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,440
from the equation

967
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,359
just bigfoot sightings alone i was

968
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,040
shocked at how many i found i did not

969
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,000
expect to find that many

970
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:16,240
i just thought we're we're not remote

971
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:19,440
enough you know what i mean but uh yeah

972
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:23,200
as i've learned they uh these creatures

973
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,920
seem to

974
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,400
um not mind too much as long as they

975
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,320
have a place to hide get in and out and

976
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:30,000
there's uh it seems like flowing water

977
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:31,760
is part of the equation

978
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:34,320
some kind of river or creek or something

979
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:34,800
um

980
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,079
yeah they uh they can get in and out

981
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:43,270
well you know we've also been getting uh

982
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:44,640
dogman sightings

983
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:48,400
down in this region too uh we had one

984
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:51,760
down south of york a couple years ago

985
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,400
and actually had two sightings

986
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:58,400
and uh we're going to be talking to that

987
00:39:02,310 --> 00:38:59,680
witness

988
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,320
and um there was a sighting down near

989
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,400
chicobus

990
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:07,200
not too long ago and in fact that very

991
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:08,960
well could have been a bigfoot

992
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:12,160
but it it just didn't sound right you

993
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,119
know i'm not

994
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,079
i'm not sure what this person saw but

995
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:18,000
the way it acted it didn't act like a

996
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:19,359
bigfoot and it was he

997
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,200
had a pretty good size to it too so uh

998
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:25,760
these bigfoot sightings and as you know

999
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,560
we're trying to document what's going on

1000
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:30,160
around the state

1001
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:33,599
uh you know maryland's had their share

1002
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:34,400
of them down

1003
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:37,520
in the um catacomb valley

1004
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,520
for many years and uh

1005
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,920
but as far as all the settings that are

1006
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,839
cropping up now

1007
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:47,599
and the reports we've been getting it's

1008
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:50,000
pretty interesting what's

1009
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:52,480
uh what some of the descriptions so the

1010
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:53,359
behavior

1011
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:56,480
has been uh what do you make of the the

1012
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,200
dog man

1013
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:59,599
thing i mean do you are you do you think

1014
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:00,880
it's a flesh

1015
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:03,440
creature do you think this is a more of

1016
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:04,720
a paranormal thing

1017
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,790
i don't know butch what do you think i i

1018
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:14,400
think it could be uh i think it could be

1019
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:15,040
the one

1020
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:18,560
be quite honest with you some of the um

1021
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:22,079
some of the sightings we have had

1022
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:23,760
seem like they're flesh and blood

1023
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:26,480
because they're aggressive

1024
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,000
and you know they just don't

1025
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:32,319
have that look of being something other

1026
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:34,000
than flesh and blood

1027
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:37,440
but then again we've had some where

1028
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,640
the actual beast itself just had that

1029
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:42,160
look to it

1030
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:44,800
that it didn't you know it had uh like a

1031
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:45,280
sheen

1032
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:47,200
or something to it or something that

1033
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:48,480
would make it look like

1034
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:52,160
it was not holy flesh and blood i mean

1035
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:53,440
that's hard to me

1036
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,480
uh these things kind of jump out

1037
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,480
uh you know you heard about this you

1038
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,800
heard about the theory of the uh

1039
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,440
the uh bigfoot that are able to go in

1040
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:05,119
and out of uh you know

1041
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:07,520
dimensions well i mean we've heard the

1042
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:08,319
same thing for

1043
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,960
these dog men so you know i don't know

1044
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:14,800
it's hard to tell what it is i i guess

1045
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,160
it's just like bigfoot

1046
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,160
and if we get a hold of one or get a

1047
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,560
real good some really

1048
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,280
tangent evidence of it and you know it's

1049
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,800
not going to be too easy to figure out

1050
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,319
what it is

1051
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:29,040
sure i mean are you finding footprints

1052
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:29,920
and hair

1053
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,560
like some no hair i don't think we've

1054
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:34,480
gotten any hair yet

1055
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:37,599
well we've got yeah butch i know i know

1056
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:38,319
we have

1057
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:42,480
had some some odd prints

1058
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:45,440
but uh i mean the sightings themselves

1059
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:46,720
and these are people that

1060
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,319
had no idea what this these things were

1061
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,240
uh of course they never heard of them

1062
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,319
you know it's not something that's been

1063
00:42:08,470 --> 00:41:57,440
been talked about in you know

1064
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,910
between the uh the uh dog man and the

1065
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:13,440
bipedal canine

1066
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:17,599
the canines are much larger

1067
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,040
you know and they're all described as

1068
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:21,599
the same you know the massive wolf head

1069
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:22,400
the

1070
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:25,680
broad big chested muscular arms

1071
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:28,800
hands with claws thin waisted

1072
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:33,280
muscled legs uh hocked legs with uh

1073
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:36,480
you know uh glowing yellow eyes

1074
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:39,760
and and that's in every report they show

1075
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:40,560
no fear

1076
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,319
they don't back off and they

1077
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,319
however they do it they all seem to

1078
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,160
instill this

1079
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:51,119
um the thing into the viewer's mind that

1080
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:51,599
um

1081
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:54,880
you know if you don't leave or you know

1082
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:57,839
things are really going to get ugly

1083
00:43:01,109 --> 00:43:00,880
and um we've covered a few of them up in

1084
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,119
this

1085
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,800
up quite a few of them up in the center

1086
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:04,400
part of the state

1087
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:07,520
we're going back up again and we have a

1088
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,240
couple in

1089
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,880
the east and of course down south in the

1090
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,480
new york area

1091
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,280
but i don't know what we're dealing with

1092
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,880
it could be interdimensional because

1093
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,960
you know the very first one we got was

1094
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,400
where one walked out of the woods in

1095
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,079
front of a guy in his roaring dogs that

1096
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:24,160
wanted to tear it apart

1097
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,319
and walk in the other side and the

1098
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:28,800
creature paid no attention to the guy

1099
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:31,920
at all like they weren't even there

1100
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:34,079
no dogs no man he just strolled across

1101
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,599
the road and in the other side of the

1102
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:37,520
woods

1103
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,720
could they be skin walkers possibly

1104
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,960
you know could they be flesh and blood

1105
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:44,400
possibly

1106
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:47,599
but until we get more evidence you know

1107
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:49,040
we just have to keep looking for what we

1108
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:55,109
now uh do you in my book i have a couple

1109
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,599
of these

1110
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:58,240
uh sightings of what they described as

1111
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:59,280
kind of anubis

1112
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:02,319
sort of creatures um which i'm assuming

1113
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:02,560
is

1114
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:06,319
hawks legs

1115
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:09,920
do you get any uh

1116
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:12,960
you mean more jackal-like looking

1117
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:19,270
i'm trying to think off-hand we hadn't

1118
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,000
let that butch i don't think

1119
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:23,760
all of ours were wolf-like i mean they

1120
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:25,359
were all described

1121
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:29,040
as a a very large wolf head um

1122
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,040
short ears um you know a typical

1123
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:35,119
looking wolf i mean everybody nobody

1124
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,800
described anything what but a wolf

1125
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:38,480
nobody described

1126
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,920
a dog or um you know bigfoot looking

1127
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,359
creature

1128
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:46,160
they all seem to have the same color of

1129
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:46,560
dark

1130
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:53,920
and um we have a couple with the glowing

1131
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:54,480
lights

1132
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:57,760
you know the machine around or the halo

1133
00:45:03,030 --> 00:44:58,960
around the uh

1134
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,230
that's very very interesting um i'm uh

1135
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,240
curious to it seems like they're the

1136
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,079
sightings not just here but but all

1137
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,560
around are just growing and growing

1138
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:14,800
uh with the the canines the upright

1139
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,000
canines no

1140
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:18,560
it's you know it you know linda

1141
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,520
godfrey's been

1142
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:22,079
working on this for years now and of

1143
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:22,720
course

1144
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,839
mostly was the michigan and wisconsin

1145
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,760
sightings but we're now we're getting in

1146
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:29,280
ontario

1147
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:32,640
uh of course ohio's had sightings

1148
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:35,920
maryland of course had sightings uh

1149
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:38,240
yeah i mean it's it's something that's

1150
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:39,359
just

1151
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:43,119
course

1152
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:45,040
if you go back and look at yeah if you

1153
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,720
go back and look in history

1154
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,760
there have been sightings in

1155
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:49,920
pennsylvania but

1156
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,960
you know it's just the fact that people

1157
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:54,640
i guess didn't want to talk about it a

1158
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:55,760
whole lot

1159
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:58,400
uh you know they're historical sightings

1160
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,880
and

1161
00:46:02,670 --> 00:46:01,200
i mean i think the the earliest one i

1162
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:02,680
have is like the

1163
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,309
you know the interesting thing about

1164
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:12,079
pennsylvania is and you know

1165
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:15,680
that the uh the immigrants came from

1166
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:19,920
germany and it picked up

1167
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:23,200
as far as the lore and the

1168
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,480
werewolf lure and the type of you know

1169
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:28,319
these type of things when

1170
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,760
the germans people moved into um

1171
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:33,680
moved into pennsylvania in northern

1172
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:34,800
maryland

1173
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:38,079
and uh you know

1174
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:41,599
for whatever reason these

1175
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,599
beasts have been started being seen and

1176
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,000
recognized then

1177
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,720
so um yeah and even in the amish and

1178
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,560
mennonite communities especially the old

1179
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:52,079
amish old men tonight those stories

1180
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:53,440
still abound

1181
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:56,560
oh yeah oh yeah

1182
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:57,920
yeah i always say that uh in

1183
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,640
pennsylvania we we have so much uh

1184
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,480
werewolf stuff that we have the name for

1185
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:04,400
a a ghost of a werewolf with the

1186
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:05,599
spookwolf which is

1187
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,319
i i never ran it anywhere but here yep

1188
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,560
yeah i think i heard about a spookwolf

1189
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:13,920
years and years ago

1190
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:17,440
but i saw a book and i hadn't thought

1191
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,240
about that and i

1192
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:20,480
i it brought back some memories because

1193
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,280
i had

1194
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,599
i remember a relative talking about a

1195
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:25,920
spooked wolf when i was younger

1196
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,480
um and and they were actually they were

1197
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:30,079
mennonite

1198
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,000
so um you know that kind of thing has

1199
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,079
been going around my family for a long

1200
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:36,240
time i mean these kind of stories

1201
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:39,280
and you know you you wonder if they're

1202
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,549
you know i i people are saying something

1203
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:48,319
i mean i that's that's a fact

1204
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,960
people are seeing something and you know

1205
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,000
when you do talk to

1206
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,040
them and uh

1207
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:57,760
get the story out of them you can tell

1208
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:04,069
they are seeing some well it's like i

1209
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,480
say

1210
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:07,200
in regards to bigfoot sightings if at

1211
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:08,559
end dogman

1212
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,559
if we're going to trust an adult can

1213
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:12,079
tell the difference between a bear

1214
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:15,280
and an you know an upright walking uh

1215
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,800
hominid and i think most most adults can

1216
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,880
i mean most people can look at a bear

1217
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:22,559
and know you know if they see a bigfoot

1218
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,760
it's not a bear

1219
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,880
and we're going to have to trust them

1220
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:26,400
when they say the thing had a wolf head

1221
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:26,960
too i

1222
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,960
i mean if you're going to trust them as

1223
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:30,960
as far as defeats and eight foot walking

1224
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:32,640
hominids then

1225
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:34,400
you can't discount it if they say it has

1226
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:36,160
a wolf head you know you gotta gotta

1227
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:43,990
so what other uh what our phenomena

1228
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,240
you wanna talk about in this down here

1229
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:49,119
in south central

1230
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,079
oh well there was the main areas i

1231
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:54,960
looked into were were

1232
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:57,520
the toad road area which again i i found

1233
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:58,480
that to be

1234
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:01,040
um cryptid activity you know it had been

1235
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:02,800
reported to be ghost activity i think it

1236
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:05,359
confirms more with cryptid activity

1237
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,599
and in fact i found uh there was a

1238
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:09,040
creature from pennsylvania folklore

1239
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:10,480
called the hide behind

1240
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:13,760
and uh the nature of that yeah was that

1241
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:14,079
uh

1242
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,559
it stalked people and it it was took the

1243
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,000
last people in line and they said

1244
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,880
the native americans when the uh

1245
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,640
europeans got here they said only the

1246
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:24,079
bravest should be the last in line

1247
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:24,400
because

1248
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:25,839
they can be relied on number to look

1249
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:28,079
behind them and uh

1250
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,440
when you look behind is when you get

1251
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,440
taken i guess people would be

1252
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:34,160
like uh they'd see the hide behind they

1253
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:34,800
get

1254
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:38,079
struck with fear so um that

1255
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:41,119
actually reminded me of david polite's

1256
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,319
work because uh the missing 411 stuff

1257
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,040
he found that often it's the last in

1258
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:49,200
line that's getting taken

1259
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,760
so i started i started to look for

1260
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:53,599
missing people up there

1261
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,359
and i did find uh in march of 2014

1262
00:50:02,309 --> 00:50:00,480
a 61 year old woman was dropped off to

1263
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,319
walk alone in the area she's gone

1264
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,480
missing without a trace

1265
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,480
and i found two dead hunters right in

1266
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,920
the area to the road one was from the

1267
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:09,839
1920s he was found dead he had

1268
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:12,160
discharged a shotgun two times

1269
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,200
and was found dead and in recent years

1270
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,960
uh in the past three years i think a

1271
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,480
hunter was found dead he was assumed to

1272
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,480
have fallen from his tree stand

1273
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,640
so there's some you know mysterious

1274
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:24,400
deaths that go along with it up there or

1275
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,359
and missing people

1276
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:28,000
too you know i would ask you about that

1277
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,920
photograph you took on trout road the

1278
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:31,440
one looks like

1279
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,200
the wolf yeah the canine type thing

1280
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,880
uh what do you think that was you think

1281
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:38,480
that was paranoia you think it was

1282
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:42,079
actually something that you captured

1283
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:44,960
i i i honestly i go back and forth on

1284
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:45,440
that

1285
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,480
because it whatever it was

1286
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,079
i didn't know it was there i was just

1287
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,920
taking pictures when i was back there

1288
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,520
i want to take as many pictures i could

1289
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:55,440
to document things

1290
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:58,559
and uh when i when i saw that picture i

1291
00:51:03,030 --> 00:50:59,760
saw that dark spot

1292
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,040
in the picture i had to blow it up um

1293
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:05,520
i'm i i don't know the people that were

1294
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:06,559
with me

1295
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:09,920
um one of them says it's just paradoria

1296
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:10,880
the other one says

1297
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:13,920
we caught something um and i'm i

1298
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:17,040
i go back and forth i don't know it's i

1299
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:18,319
think

1300
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:21,359
type

1301
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:24,319
it could be i mean i really do the eye

1302
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:25,440
looks like it's glowing

1303
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:32,630
thing you caught me was that glowing eye

1304
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,760
yeah that's that's

1305
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:35,200
that's input but there's nothing

1306
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:37,040
underneath it that's that's

1307
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:38,400
a strange thing about it's like a

1308
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:41,280
floating head and neck

1309
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:44,720
and uh i just think that that is some

1310
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:47,200
type of apparition or

1311
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:50,960
weird anomaly i don't think i just

1312
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:53,680
think it's you know it's something that

1313
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:55,440
actually manifested

1314
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,160
and you're lucky enough to capture it

1315
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:00,480
yeah it was pure luck but i didn't see

1316
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:03,520
anything when i took that picture um but

1317
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,480
uh

1318
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:06,160
well for instance and i mentioned this

1319
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:07,839
in the book my my wife's a

1320
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,920
pretty die-hard skeptic which i'm i'm

1321
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:11,520
happy about i think it's good to to have

1322
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:12,640
a skeptic in my life

1323
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,960
and it you know who can point at stuff

1324
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:16,559
and say you know you're being silly

1325
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,000
that's you know

1326
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,079
look at it this way and she usually has

1327
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,319
good logical explanations for things

1328
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:24,400
but when she saw that picture she was

1329
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:26,079
she said whoa that is

1330
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:29,200
really weird that is eerie

1331
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:30,720
so that kind of let me know i was onto

1332
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:37,750
yeah you were uh you're talking about uh

1333
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:40,640
in the book about spook lights

1334
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:43,280
and that's you know that's a phenomenon

1335
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:44,800
that we see

1336
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:47,839
with bigfoot sightings a lot uh where

1337
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,400
these

1338
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:51,440
strange lights just end to show up

1339
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:55,680
uh particularly in wooded areas

1340
00:53:02,390 --> 00:52:59,280
uh i've had several s even with

1341
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:02,400
uh people i know that research in in the

1342
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:03,440
state

1343
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,119
several spooklights are glowing orbs or

1344
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:09,680
something like that that shows up

1345
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:12,880
around the time a bigfoot is suspected

1346
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:14,079
to be in the area

1347
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:20,549
yeah i i found that again and again it's

1348
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:24,079
uh i guess it's inconvenient for for uh

1349
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,760
some people who just want to think of it

1350
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,520
as just an ape in the woods

1351
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:30,240
um but these lights go along with it

1352
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:32,240
with their weather

1353
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:34,000
i i kind of fall down on the side that

1354
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:35,599
it's it's

1355
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:38,400
it's a paranormal creature in that it's

1356
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,720
it's outside of the normal

1357
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:42,400
and it's super human in that it has

1358
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:44,079
abilities that are beyond ours it's

1359
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,440
certainly quicker stronger

1360
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,359
you can see in the dark you know just it

1361
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:49,200
has abilities beyond earth

1362
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,559
but i think it's uh i'm not sure if it's

1363
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,160
supernatural or if there's something

1364
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:56,480
like quantum physics going on

1365
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,680
um because you know quantum physics

1366
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:01,599
before we understood it seemed very very

1367
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,400
spooky

1368
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:04,559
um and if you don't understand quantum

1369
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:06,319
physics it seems like magic

1370
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:09,040
uh that's going on so i don't know if

1371
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,440
there's something

1372
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:13,200
they leave footprints they leave hair

1373
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,079
they eat they leave scat

1374
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:19,040
um i i'm falling down on the side that

1375
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:21,040
they're natural creatures but that they

1376
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:24,079
they have access to

1377
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:26,079
to something that we don't uh you know

1378
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:27,760
there's some way that that

1379
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,800
that these lights play into it and uh

1380
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:32,720
well the footprints that just walk off

1381
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,960
into the middle fields and stop

1382
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:36,400
and uh and things like that and of

1383
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:37,760
course you know people reported them

1384
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,000
just

1385
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:41,040
disappearing which

1386
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,720
yeah i mean what's that you know maybe

1387
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:44,480
maybe they're that fast that it seems

1388
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:45,520
like they're disappearing or maybe

1389
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:46,480
they're disappearing i

1390
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:49,280
i don't know but uh the lights do seem

1391
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,040
to play into it somehow

1392
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,680
um you know i uh i had spent a lot of

1393
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:57,440
time in hex hollow

1394
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,559
when i was younger and uh i had

1395
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:02,400
i had been there a couple years ago too

1396
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:05,599
but i i know we used to see these lights

1397
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:08,799
in around there as well

1398
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:11,839
especially several hundred yards in

1399
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:13,119
front of the house into the hollow

1400
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:14,400
itself

1401
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,760
and we used to see them out there in the

1402
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,440
field

1403
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:20,400
and uh you know that was something that

1404
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,599
we actually

1405
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:24,240
was pretty constant what they were i

1406
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:25,520
have no idea i mean

1407
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,240
now i know you've been down there i was

1408
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:29,760
down there today

1409
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:32,480
where are you what is your what is your

1410
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:34,319
impression of that place

1411
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,960
now you know i i'm sure not everybody

1412
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:38,400
knows the history of it

1413
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:40,799
maybe you can give give a brief history

1414
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:41,680
of what

1415
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,720
the remark ray meyer hollow hex hollow

1416
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,640
what that is

1417
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,640
well it's called hex hollow because the

1418
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,160
the the so-called uh

1419
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:52,079
hex murder occurred there one one of

1420
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:53,680
pennsylvania's many i guess the most

1421
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,240
famous

1422
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:57,280
uh pennsylvania hex murder um

1423
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:00,559
which is a man named nelson raymar who

1424
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:03,119
i in my mind he was just a healer he he

1425
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:04,160
really wasn't a witch

1426
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,760
or anything but he he uh

1427
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:09,839
was a proponent of pow-wowing and this

1428
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:11,680
is a local kind of faith healing

1429
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:15,040
um and i will say nelson rigemeier was

1430
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:18,880
a relative was he

1431
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,680
yeah yeah on my grandmother's side yeah

1432
00:56:28,829 --> 00:56:25,599
we might be you might be related to my

1433
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:30,549
do

1434
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:34,720
but uh yeah and uh so

1435
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,119
this uh fella named blimeyer had decided

1436
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:39,200
someone had put a curse on him

1437
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,200
and he went to see several powwow

1438
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:43,440
doctors in the area

1439
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:45,680
and finally saw this uh woman they

1440
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:47,680
called the river witch of marietta

1441
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:52,799
um right who lived in marietta of course

1442
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:55,839
and after several visits to her she the

1443
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:57,920
story goes he handed her a dollar bill

1444
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,599
and she handed it back to him and said

1445
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,440
unfold it you'll see the the face of the

1446
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:03,440
person who put the curse on you

1447
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:06,960
he unfolded and saw ray meyer's face

1448
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:09,200
so he decided uh he asked her how to

1449
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:10,319
break the curse and she said you got to

1450
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,920
get his textbook which would have been

1451
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:13,440
the long-lost friend that's a

1452
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:16,640
common uh book in the area

1453
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:18,799
and that deals with pow-wowing or you

1454
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:20,240
got to get a lock of his hair and you

1455
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:21,040
got to bury him

1456
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:24,400
six feet in the ground

1457
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:27,520
so blaimer got the help of of uh these

1458
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:27,920
two

1459
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,400
local boys hess and curry kind of

1460
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,240
convinced them that they had a curse put

1461
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,640
put on them too and they all went down

1462
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:36,240
to raymer's place

1463
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,079
two consecutive nights on on the second

1464
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:40,319
night uh

1465
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:41,760
the first night they couldn't work up

1466
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:44,160
the nerve to uh

1467
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,680
to take them on um and ray meyer

1468
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:50,240
he was a healer he was a seems like a

1469
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:50,720
pretty

1470
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:53,200
righteous guy he invited him in and gave

1471
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,640
them breakfast the next morning kind of

1472
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,319
sent them on their way

1473
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:58,240
and they showed up the following night

1474
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,680
he invited him in again and that's when

1475
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:01,839
they got kind of hostile with them and

1476
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:04,319
and they asked where where is it where

1477
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:05,760
is it he thought they were talking about

1478
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:07,520
his wallet so he pulled out his wallet

1479
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:08,640
and

1480
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:13,119
they uh then they just beat him to death

1481
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:14,640
tried to lay the place on fire to burn

1482
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,200
it down and the fire didn't take

1483
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,920
and they left and a big big trial ensued

1484
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,280
afterwards

1485
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,520
very famous uh at the time it was kind

1486
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:25,920
of like as big as the oj trial i think

1487
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,480
in its day newspapers all over the

1488
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:30,000
country covered it but

1489
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:33,599
um so it became kind of uh

1490
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,720
associated with with witchcraft and and

1491
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:39,200
ghosts and spooky stuff but heck's how

1492
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,799
the raymeyer howl

1493
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:42,880
has had stuff going on there but well

1494
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:43,920
before the

1495
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:47,200
the hex murder i have uh found stories

1496
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:47,599
about

1497
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:49,599
what they call a fiery ghost that they

1498
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:51,119
were seeing in there like a flaming

1499
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:52,960
flaming ghost they were seeing in in the

1500
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,640
1890s

1501
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:56,400
and they talked about spook lights in

1502
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:58,240
the newspaper

1503
00:59:01,510 --> 00:59:01,200
back then too which which i've seen uh

1504
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,520
not

1505
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:03,599
in ray myself but coming coming out like

1506
00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:05,440
i i was in raymond's island i saw him on

1507
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:07,040
the distance the hills kind of outside

1508
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,400
of the hollow

1509
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:10,640
so uh it's it's definitely a spooky

1510
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,270
yeah my experience is down there as well

1511
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,119
it's um

1512
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,960
it you know of course i think you might

1513
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:20,880
have mentioned something in the book but

1514
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:24,079
i had a uh i don't know what i it may

1515
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:25,280
have been an apparition

1516
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,079
it had to be an apparition but this this

1517
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:30,799
man didn't have a face

1518
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,720
and i know it scared the living crap out

1519
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:35,040
of me i was just a kid in high school

1520
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:37,359
and i i jumped over the barrier got back

1521
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:39,359
in the car and hauled ass home

1522
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,720
but uh that was the damnest thing i

1523
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,880
one of the strangest things i had ever

1524
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:46,319
seen

1525
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:49,440
but i had been there after that and

1526
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,720
like i said before it just i just always

1527
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,480
got the impression that

1528
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:56,160
something was hanging around down there

1529
01:00:02,549 --> 00:59:58,880
uh i don't know how you feel about it

1530
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:02,559
well i right now i'm i'm i'm playing uh

1531
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:05,119
with what my wife calls chess with

1532
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:07,119
someone or something down there i found

1533
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:08,079
a

1534
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,920
interesting

1535
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:17,280
and i've been moving them and every time

1536
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:18,480
i come back they're in a different

1537
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:19,119
pattern

1538
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:22,240
um i i don't think it's

1539
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:24,079
i don't know i don't think it's people

1540
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:25,680
but it could be i i

1541
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:27,680
it absolutely could be i just i have no

1542
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:30,000
way of knowing it seems like

1543
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:32,000
the other day i i moved him into a

1544
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:33,280
different pattern i left

1545
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:34,799
came back in 20 minutes and something

1546
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,640
was added to it um

1547
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:38,480
within 20 minutes i didn't see any other

1548
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:40,000
people there

1549
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:43,040
so i i don't know what's going on with

1550
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:45,200
that

1551
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:48,640
yeah it's um and if people want to read

1552
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:49,040
about

1553
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:53,119
book is uh

1554
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:56,480
is hex which was uh

1555
01:01:03,190 --> 01:00:59,839
which was written by uh author

1556
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:03,200
what's water lewis yeah arthur lewis

1557
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:05,040
and you know i read that book when i was

1558
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:06,640
younger

1559
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:10,559
yeah i might be out of print now um

1560
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:12,640
but it is that is i think the best one i

1561
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:13,760
i agree yeah

1562
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:16,480
it kind of gets gets into exactly what

1563
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,200
happened

1564
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:19,440
now there was a movie made years ago not

1565
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:20,480
not too long

1566
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:24,000
i guess back in i don't know the 80s but

1567
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:27,359
it was uh it was

1568
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:30,160
titled back in 88 called apprentice to

1569
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:31,599
myrrh

1570
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:35,680
and uh donald sutherland yeah

1571
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:39,359
and uh it kind of brushed around

1572
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:42,720
you know the the hex murder and

1573
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:47,280
he was uh out to kill

1574
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:50,400
uh you know the old witch and

1575
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:52,720
that he ended up prison so he kind of

1576
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:55,280
paralleled it to a point

1577
01:02:02,630 --> 01:01:59,119
but uh it was kind of a weird movie

1578
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:02,640
it really was yeah it was it was it was

1579
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:03,760
odd

1580
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:05,680
there's a documentary released recently

1581
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:06,799
um

1582
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:08,319
it's i think it's on amazon it's just

1583
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,000
called hex hollow that's it does a

1584
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:12,160
pretty good job of of uh

1585
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:15,599
telling the story yeah pretty pretty

1586
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,079
fair job too i've

1587
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:20,720
seen some local local authors give talks

1588
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:22,319
and stuff and and they're

1589
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:24,880
often uh pretty hard on raymar who who

1590
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:26,240
in my mind was nothing more than a

1591
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:27,280
victim

1592
01:02:32,829 --> 01:02:29,039
and i think i think this documentary is

1593
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,839
a little more fair all around uh to all

1594
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:34,319
parties

1595
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:36,400
um have you ever had an experience have

1596
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:39,039
you ever had any experience with

1597
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:42,240
with any pal hours at all

1598
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:46,400
well my wife's uh family

1599
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:48,240
her grandparent or sorry her

1600
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:49,440
great-grandmother

1601
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:52,960
uh was and uh her mom

1602
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:54,640
was taken when she was young she was

1603
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:57,200
taken to pow hours um

1604
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:59,520
it was just very common around here i i

1605
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:01,359
didn't live in the area so

1606
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,280
by the time i moved here it was kind of

1607
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:05,440
a not as much a going concern but

1608
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:13,190
we had relatives that were actually

1609
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:16,400
doing it back in the 60s yet and

1610
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:20,400
i've been raised around a few of them

1611
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:22,799
but as you know i mean pow wow is

1612
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:25,839
considered illegal in pennsylvania

1613
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:27,680
there's actually a law in the books that

1614
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:29,119
outlaws

1615
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:30,880
and that was put in the books not long

1616
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:32,799
after the trial

1617
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:37,599
but uh i believe it yeah yeah and uh

1618
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:40,160
you know i i still and i still keep it i

1619
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:41,599
uh

1620
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:44,000
i have a long lost friend i keep with me

1621
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:46,240
all the time

1622
01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:48,160
i you know it's almost like a talisman

1623
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:53,510
it's a neat little book i i buy uh i

1624
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:53,920
have

1625
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:56,640
i try to collect different editions uh i

1626
01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:58,000
can't afford the the real real

1627
01:04:01,990 --> 01:04:00,400
old ones but uh yeah there's been so

1628
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:02,000
many additions when some when i come up

1629
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:03,359
at you know an antique store or an

1630
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,039
auction or something for for

1631
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:07,280
cheap i always pick it up and i have a

1632
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:08,480
whole collection all these different

1633
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:13,589
yeah it is an interesting little book

1634
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:14,799
it's i mean i

1635
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:17,520
wouldn't put my faith in a lot of it but

1636
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:17,920
uh

1637
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:23,200
spells are kind of interesting to read

1638
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:26,400
uh and then of course in the back of it

1639
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:27,680
it gives you uh

1640
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:30,160
what each spell is for how you can treat

1641
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:30,960
each

1642
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:32,960
ailment and all and i mean tell you i

1643
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:36,160
mean that's some really weird stuff but

1644
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:37,599
some of the stuff i heard when i was

1645
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:40,559
younger it doesn't surprise me

1646
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:42,559
because i have seen people do some of

1647
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:44,880
the weird stuff that's in there

1648
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:48,559
and uh i had an aunt that used the

1649
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:51,119
just just for the family used a few

1650
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:52,799
things that were very similar what were

1651
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:54,240
in the book

1652
01:05:02,630 --> 01:04:57,760
uh i wasn't sure what it was back then

1653
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:02,640
but uh yeah i know she she knew of it

1654
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:05,200
but like you said that appalachian folk

1655
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:06,480
magic

1656
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,319
it as well

1657
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:12,480
that was pretty prevalent up and down up

1658
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:13,680
and down the uh

1659
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:16,400
appalachian mountains in pennsylvania

1660
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:18,240
all the way down into kentucky and such

1661
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:18,480
i

1662
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:25,680
and all down

1663
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:28,720
you know down in the carolinas so

1664
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:32,079
you know it's still going on but uh

1665
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:33,599
like you said it's not as prevalent as

1666
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:36,559
it used to be

1667
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:38,400
they talk a bit about it in that uh hex

1668
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:40,079
hollow movie they have some modern day

1669
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:41,520
uh practitioners in there

1670
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:44,240
and and stuff yeah it's pretty

1671
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:45,599
interesting

1672
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:47,440
yeah i know a few of them that are still

1673
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:48,880
around i know there's a guy up in

1674
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:50,880
redding

1675
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:52,720
that i don't think he advertises a whole

1676
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:54,720
lot but i know of one

1677
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:57,839
and every once in a while you'll read

1678
01:06:03,109 --> 01:05:59,599
about another person that

1679
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:03,119
is actually interested in it so yeah

1680
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:10,710
so i i would i would hazard a guess with

1681
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:11,680
you know the families that have been

1682
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:13,280
here for generations it's probably

1683
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:15,280
there's probably more of it around than

1684
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:16,319
uh

1685
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:20,160
then is made public um

1686
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:23,920
well my family were all

1687
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:26,160
amish on both sides i mean not my

1688
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:28,240
mother's side but on both sides of my

1689
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:29,839
grandparents they were both they were

1690
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:32,559
all amish when they came over here

1691
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:36,079
and uh so when they settled

1692
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:37,599
my family actually the homestead's

1693
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:40,319
actually still there you might

1694
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:41,599
i don't know if you know of it or not

1695
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:43,520
but you know what spriggettsville is

1696
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:45,359
about by the uh

1697
01:06:49,589 --> 01:06:48,880
york county prison oh yeah right on the

1698
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:49,599
uh the

1699
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:51,520
grounds of the york county prison is a

1700
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:54,000
little it's an old house

1701
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:56,160
and that's the original strickler

1702
01:07:01,029 --> 01:06:57,839
homestead

1703
01:07:01,430 --> 01:07:01,039
so yeah i know secret service used to

1704
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:01,440
have an

1705
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:02,559
office there but i don't know who's

1706
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:05,039
there now but some people in the family

1707
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:07,520
still do take care of it so

1708
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:10,559
uh but you know they when they moved

1709
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:12,160
over here

1710
01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:15,200
uh to pennsylvania in the early 1700s

1711
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:16,240
they um

1712
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:17,839
that's where they settled that so they

1713
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:19,520
just spread out over

1714
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:22,559
the three counties and uh

1715
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:26,319
yeah and this um this folk magic and

1716
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:28,240
folk healing was pretty prevalent

1717
01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:31,920
and even even though not all the people

1718
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:35,440
remained as as amish most of them became

1719
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:37,599
mennonites but then later to reform

1720
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:40,960
church they um

1721
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:44,000
they still have knowledge of it

1722
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:52,789
i i know you no i don't know if you went

1723
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:53,359
down there

1724
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:57,119
but you know of the uh and you you did

1725
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:58,160
and you were nice enough to put

1726
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:00,240
something in the book about it about

1727
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:03,440
my uh my encounter with the the conewago

1728
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:06,480
what i call the conewago phantom uh i

1729
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:08,240
know the uh

1730
01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:09,839
i know the people around there are

1731
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:11,440
called old red eye

1732
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:15,200
and in fact i had a i had been down

1733
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:15,839
there

1734
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:19,040
about 10 years ago

1735
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:21,440
and uh i was just looking around and

1736
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:23,120
some guy came up to me and

1737
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:25,120
was mentioning about old red eye and i

1738
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:26,560
didn't i really didn't know what he was

1739
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:28,000
talking about

1740
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:30,080
until i started thinking about it and

1741
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:31,359
then he when he started

1742
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:33,839
saying with people how to describe it

1743
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:35,199
then i knew that's what he was talking

1744
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:35,920
about so

1745
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:39,920
then you know but i know i have received

1746
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:40,480
all

1747
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:43,759
together about six sightings

1748
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:47,040
of this thing up and down the the

1749
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:51,199
um the conewago creek

1750
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:54,480
and um i don't know if you've have you

1751
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:55,120
run into

1752
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:57,600
any other sightings of this thing or

1753
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:00,239
anything similar to that

1754
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:02,640
no i didn't i didn't ask around too much

1755
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:03,440
though um

1756
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:05,440
i went up there one day and looked

1757
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:06,640
around i didn't there weren't too many

1758
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:08,239
people around

1759
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:10,159
and uh if i'd have seen somebody out

1760
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:11,279
knowing or something i might have

1761
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:12,719
stopped and asked them

1762
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:15,600
you know anything strange around here or

1763
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:16,719
anything but uh

1764
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:18,000
there just weren't too many people

1765
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:19,040
around i didn't want to go knocking on

1766
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:20,319
doors

1767
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:24,960
yeah yeah it seems like somebody's out

1768
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:28,159
and uh and i did this by uh up by toad

1769
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:29,600
road a lot too if somebody's out and

1770
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:30,400
they're

1771
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:34,000
and i'm walking by it's easier to talk

1772
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:35,520
to them than you know and you can kind

1773
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:37,199
of strike up a conversation a little bit

1774
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:40,000
absolutely ease into the the questions

1775
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:41,279
about the weird stuff you don't

1776
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,239
you know you're not just hitting them

1777
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:44,560
over the head with uh you know

1778
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:46,080
have you seen anything weird straight up

1779
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:48,159
straight out uh but but yeah

1780
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,920
i didn't see anybody around i i took the

1781
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:51,600
picture for the book or i think my wife

1782
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:53,120
did of the uh

1783
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:54,800
the sign that cam kind of all got a sign

1784
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:56,159
there um but

1785
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:57,920
there just weren't any people around so

1786
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:59,520
i didn't really get a chance to ask him

1787
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:00,719
any questions

1788
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:06,709
yeah i'm pretty sure the troop uh the

1789
01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:07,840
scout troops don't

1790
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:10,719
camp in the woods anymore uh as they

1791
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:11,360
used to

1792
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:14,960
years ago um

1793
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:17,679
i don't know it's because of that or

1794
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:19,120
what it is but uh you know

1795
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:21,440
that place hasn't changed it's it's

1796
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,159
interesting i

1797
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:24,560
i had seen recent pictures of it and

1798
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:27,360
that place has not changed at all

1799
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:31,040
and um don't know i i'm

1800
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:33,120
i haven't had a new report in almost

1801
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:34,719
three years

1802
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:37,679
though that thing that we had that

1803
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:39,920
people were seeing in lancaster

1804
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:42,400
i don't know if i had that is related to

1805
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:44,000
it or not

1806
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:45,760
that uh that thing was peering in

1807
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:47,520
people's windows it looked like a

1808
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:48,880
gargoyle

1809
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,880
i don't know i have no idea what that

1810
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:52,000
was but

1811
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:54,640
stan gordon had some reports of of

1812
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:56,480
gargoyle things from from other parts of

1813
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:57,120
the state

1814
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:59,040
i know that's why yeah in the book i

1815
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,520
kind of separated it out just because uh

1816
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:03,600
because he had had these other you know

1817
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:05,600
what people were describing as gargoyles

1818
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:09,520
um which again it may or may not be

1819
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:11,840
a separate thing but it seemed to

1820
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:13,040
warrant separating out

1821
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:14,800
at least well these gargle sightings

1822
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:16,560
have been in butler county for the most

1823
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:17,040
part

1824
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:20,080
um there's a lot of other winged

1825
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:20,960
creatures

1826
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:24,080
that you know have been reported uh

1827
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:26,880
as far as around here i mean other than

1828
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:28,640
you know that phantom man that

1829
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:32,719
that one up there uh gifford pinchot

1830
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,000
that somebody saw and said it looked

1831
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:38,719
like a pterodactyl

1832
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:41,280
and the thing in lancaster i i really

1833
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,159
don't know of anything else though

1834
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:46,640
you know the this thing that we saw from

1835
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:48,239
con

1836
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:52,320
i think i really can't

1837
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:53,920
it's hard it was hard to describe as

1838
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:55,600
dark for one thing

1839
01:12:02,950 --> 01:11:59,840
and uh but we did see

1840
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:02,960
a wing structure it took off so damn

1841
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:04,880
quick we couldn't really get a good look

1842
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:06,000
at it

1843
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:07,679
uh we couldn't get we couldn't even get

1844
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:10,400
our flashlights on it quick enough

1845
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:13,280
when we first saw the eyes uh because

1846
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:14,960
this thing just shot up in the air with

1847
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:16,400
a whooshing sound and

1848
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:19,199
it was really strange and we thought we

1849
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:19,520
were

1850
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:24,480
started getting

1851
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:27,679
so i wrote something about it and i

1852
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,760
started getting reports

1853
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:31,600
the first guy was up there dick's damn

1854
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:33,520
and then of course the scout leaders

1855
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:37,120
started contacting me so uh

1856
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:39,520
you know actually the sightings the

1857
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:41,040
sightings the newer side of things have

1858
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:42,640
been actually going down

1859
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:46,159
downstream if you notice that

1860
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:48,840
and the last one that i had was above

1861
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:52,159
york going towards dover

1862
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,159
so um yeah i mean that

1863
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:58,320
that's interesting because it so yeah

1864
01:13:02,550 --> 01:12:59,840
like it's sort of following

1865
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:02,560
the creek uh towards the river then yeah

1866
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:03,520
i mean

1867
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:08,000
and but that's spread over 20 years now

1868
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:08,400
too

1869
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:12,080
but right right who knows i mean i don't

1870
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:17,510
the one you had with the scouts who

1871
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:19,600
described what they just like a dragon

1872
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:22,719
um that's pretty intense

1873
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,800
yeah the this scout master

1874
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,640
if not remember what he said he told

1875
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:30,719
when he wrote the letter and then i

1876
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:32,800
talked to him later he said you know i

1877
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:34,080
thought these kids were crazy i thought

1878
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:36,719
these kids were just playing with me

1879
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:39,040
and you know because they they they were

1880
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:40,400
scared

1881
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,760
but they they said it looked like a

1882
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:43,679
dragon but they

1883
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:47,920
thought it had uh had feathers on it

1884
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:51,600
and it was about six foot high

1885
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:53,920
and it had a tail or something on it i

1886
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:55,199
remember what he was telling

1887
01:13:58,830 --> 01:13:56,880
he had written but he told me he said

1888
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:58,840
you know when they came back to the

1889
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:00,640
campsite

1890
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:03,440
running and we're all flipped out he

1891
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,640
said

1892
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:06,000
i just thought they were playing a game

1893
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:07,679
with me saying i didn't buy into any of

1894
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:07,920
it

1895
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:10,000
he said and that was a year or so ago

1896
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:11,440
and i still

1897
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:13,199
i still didn't believe until i read it

1898
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:15,360
on your site

1899
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:18,480
and uh so

1900
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:20,960
there you go so i don't know what they

1901
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:22,400
saw i guess it may have been the same

1902
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:24,480
thing

1903
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,640
going on by by uh running water by

1904
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,800
creek and and yeah your sighting was

1905
01:14:33,669 --> 01:14:32,480
where where uh two creeks met right

1906
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:33,679
where they uh

1907
01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:36,719
right there the forks yeah yeah yeah

1908
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:41,840
so uh again there's there's something to

1909
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:43,520
well you know there there has always

1910
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:45,920
been there has always been

1911
01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:48,800
paranormal activity that being

1912
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:49,679
associated with

1913
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,040
running water i mean you

1914
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:55,760
i know a lot of houses that i have

1915
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:57,040
investigated

1916
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:59,600
have had either underground streams

1917
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:00,400
running

1918
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:03,600
near it or a spring nearby

1919
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:05,199
or something that had to do with water

1920
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:07,679
or you know fresh water

1921
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:11,280
and uh you know why that is

1922
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:15,199
i don't know uh it just seems that

1923
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:18,480
they turn into hot spots so

1924
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:21,679
um i don't know it's uh i mean almost

1925
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:22,800
every place in my book

1926
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:25,040
was either right along the river or near

1927
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:26,719
near one of the creeks i mean

1928
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:29,280
is that right without without fail yeah

1929
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,159
that's that's

1930
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:32,320
uh old chicky's rocks right by the river

1931
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:34,480
that that hansgroff cemetery

1932
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,320
which that's what i wanted to ask um you

1933
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:38,320
said bush was from lancaster

1934
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:40,640
yeah he's from up in uh northern

1935
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:45,669
you ever heard of or dealt with that

1936
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:47,040
hansgraf cemetery

1937
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:51,120
at all just the stories

1938
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:55,360
um and just like the powwows you know we

1939
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:57,920
in in lancaster county they're still

1940
01:16:04,149 --> 01:15:59,040
said to go on

1941
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,790
but you know take chickies uh chickens

1942
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:08,159
rock i mean you know riding along the

1943
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:09,360
river

1944
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:10,640
all the weird stuff that happens up

1945
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:13,199
there um

1946
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:15,840
we have uh some cemeteries uh in and

1947
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:17,760
around the redding area

1948
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:21,840
that apparitions are seen all the time

1949
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:25,120
uh some of all very old uh people

1950
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:27,280
when i say very old i mean back in the

1951
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:30,560
turn of the century that were

1952
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:33,120
well-known businessmen bar owners

1953
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:35,600
gangsters

1954
01:16:39,189 --> 01:16:38,320
those those stories they're still alive

1955
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,199
and well i mean

1956
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:41,520
i started hearing those when i was a kid

1957
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:43,440
i live about 50 minutes from where you

1958
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:44,719
are

1959
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:48,320
okay and um i was born and raised

1960
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:51,520
in writing but the uh

1961
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:54,560
the stories you know uh when i read your

1962
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:55,360
book

1963
01:17:01,510 --> 01:16:58,400
um first

1964
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:01,520
kudos on the research oh thanks thank

1965
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:03,040
you because i know what a pain that can

1966
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:04,159
be

1967
01:17:10,630 --> 01:17:07,600
but uh you know this this whole area

1968
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:10,640
you know the york lancaster uh

1969
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:14,159
berks county uh one of the things that

1970
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:14,560
always

1971
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:17,360
kind of bugged me was there's a lot of

1972
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:18,400
uh

1973
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:20,480
whole of course old furnaces old you

1974
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:22,400
know old iron furnaces and stuff

1975
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:25,520
in lancaster county and and um in berks

1976
01:17:30,070 --> 01:17:26,960
county and

1977
01:17:32,310 --> 01:17:30,080
york and up into in the uh allentown

1978
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:32,320
area and i did get to go to one of those

1979
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:33,679
in the allentown area

1980
01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:36,800
and uh it's been um it shut down many

1981
01:17:40,310 --> 01:17:38,159
many years ago

1982
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:40,320
but it originally was an indian campsite

1983
01:17:42,709 --> 01:17:41,440
and

1984
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:42,719
it's probably been one of the spookiest

1985
01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:44,000
places i've ever walked around in my

1986
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:45,360
life

1987
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:49,360
it just uh you know and matter of fact

1988
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:50,719
even after reading your book i said to

1989
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:51,840
my wife i said we should be thinking

1990
01:18:02,229 --> 01:17:59,110
it's uh this this whole central

1991
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:02,239
south central and uh southeastern

1992
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:03,440
pennsylvania

1993
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:05,520
it just abounds with stories of

1994
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:06,800
creatures and

1995
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:08,480
when you were talking about the red eyed

1996
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:09,760
thing at the ladies window is that the

1997
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:12,640
one that was in columbia log

1998
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:15,840
what's that the gargoyle thing yeah

1999
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:17,440
with the red eye at the ladies window

2000
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:18,880
was that in colombia that was in

2001
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:19,600
lancaster

2002
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:23,040
in the city because i know i

2003
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:27,679
yeah i kind of remember one in colombia

2004
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:31,120
but um you know

2005
01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:35,040
the whole area is just ripe with

2006
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:38,840
stories that go back way back

2007
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:41,280
yeah and

2008
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:43,440
you know where i live i'm i'm smack in

2009
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:44,719
the middle of

2010
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:47,840
uh uh old water amish and uh old order

2011
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:49,679
mennonite area

2012
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:56,390
they'll talk sometimes sometimes no

2013
01:19:01,990 --> 01:18:59,360
but you know this the stuff still goes

2014
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:02,000
on i mean it's uh

2015
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:05,280
uh i just read a story about a powwow

2016
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:06,719
that was going on out in

2017
01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:10,080
ohio right in the pennsylvania line

2018
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:13,600
and so there's

2019
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:16,640
it's an odd area it's it's rife with

2020
01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:20,080
reports of all types of apparitions

2021
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:23,600
beings orbs lights

2022
01:19:32,390 --> 01:19:30,950
creatures of all types and

2023
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:32,400
it's like we said in the very beginning

2024
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:34,239
of the show you know these people are

2025
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:36,640
seeing something i mean you can't just

2026
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:37,920
go out there and label them all as

2027
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:39,920
lunatics

2028
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:42,400
and uh you know the research just goes

2029
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:43,920
on and on and on

2030
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:47,040
uh it's just the way it is but uh

2031
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:50,000
yeah i think the the chestnut ridge area

2032
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:51,440
out in the western pa gets a lot of

2033
01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:51,920
credit

2034
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:55,360
and and uh but i mean

2035
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:57,040
whatever i don't know if these areas are

2036
01:20:02,070 --> 01:19:59,199
vortexes or or whatever um

2037
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:02,080
but i i think uh i think we got quite a

2038
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:02,960
bit going on

2039
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:05,760
in in this area too and there are a lot

2040
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:07,199
of hot spots in this state

2041
01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:10,320
and yeah i believe that as well uh

2042
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:13,520
i think south central pa has got

2043
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:16,159
i don't know it's just an overall area

2044
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:16,800
but

2045
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:18,400
you know i think a lot of it goes back

2046
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:20,000
to you know

2047
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:22,719
the original settlements that were here

2048
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:23,679
um

2049
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:26,960
you know this this area you know adams

2050
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:30,080
york even lancaster county you know

2051
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:30,639
these

2052
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:34,000
before the settlers came in there's a

2053
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:34,880
lot of weird

2054
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:37,440
and bad stuff going on you know between

2055
01:20:42,629 --> 01:20:39,199
indian tribes

2056
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:42,639
uh a lot of warring in this area

2057
01:20:46,629 --> 01:20:45,360
uh oh yeah nice central part of this

2058
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:46,639
susquehanna

2059
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:52,229
yeah they'll not be they were all

2060
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:54,080
fighting in and around

2061
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:57,600
this part of the state and uh

2062
01:21:01,510 --> 01:21:00,400
you know there's a lot of bad energy i

2063
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:01,520
believe

2064
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:04,560
around here be quite honest with you

2065
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:06,960
so i don't know if that manifests into

2066
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:09,920
some of the activity we see or not

2067
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:12,080
but uh it's it's something to think

2068
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:13,520
about you know we get

2069
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:16,320
when we do get a lot of these big these

2070
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:18,000
dog man stories

2071
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:20,719
you know we do look into also the the

2072
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:23,040
history of the area

2073
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,840
and uh you know people come up with all

2074
01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:27,360
kinds of

2075
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:30,159
interesting stories but you know if you

2076
01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:30,480
start

2077
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:32,320
digging around a lot of times you come

2078
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:34,880
up with a little bit of something

2079
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:37,199
but i think i think pennsylvania in

2080
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:38,880
particular had

2081
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:41,199
and just because of the area itself i i

2082
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:42,320
just you know

2083
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:44,159
it just seemed like a crossroad to a lot

2084
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,400
of different types of people

2085
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:48,560
and uh there's you know i think there's

2086
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:49,760
just a lot of

2087
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:52,560
juju bad juju at some point in this

2088
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:54,000
state

2089
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:57,199
well you know and and until 1754 there

2090
01:22:02,390 --> 01:21:59,199
were no white men in this state

2091
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:02,400
no no there there were i mean

2092
01:22:08,830 --> 01:22:05,760
my family came to 1734 but

2093
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:08,840
you know it was uh it was the late 1600s

2094
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:10,239
anyway

2095
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:11,920
but they they all had to move they all

2096
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:14,560
had to move out what was there before

2097
01:22:22,830 --> 01:22:18,080
yeah a very sparse population

2098
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:24,149
yeah

2099
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:27,520
so um i tell you you know

2100
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:28,800
quite honestly i don't know if you're

2101
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:31,120
going to be researching for another

2102
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:33,920
set for a second book but believe me i

2103
01:22:37,750 --> 01:22:35,600
think in four or five years you may come

2104
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:37,760
up with another book

2105
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:40,560
yeah i'm trying to you know keep keep

2106
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:41,440
track of stuff i

2107
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:44,000
i want to keep keep documenting uh

2108
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:45,600
things where i can

2109
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:48,239
i think my next book um is probably just

2110
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:51,120
going to be a straight bigfoot book

2111
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:54,159
we'll see though i i i think see how

2112
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:55,600
things pan out here i

2113
01:22:59,590 --> 01:22:56,800
kind of feel like i just finished this

2114
01:23:02,550 --> 01:22:59,600
one so i don't want to

2115
01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:02,560
box myself in too much here yeah that's

2116
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:04,639
that's kind of the way i'm leaning

2117
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:06,639
i want to do something kind of a bit

2118
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:07,920
more uh less

2119
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:10,000
locally focused you know i'll have local

2120
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:11,440
stuff in it for sure but it won't be

2121
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:12,000
just

2122
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:17,520
lot of time in fayette county

2123
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:21,120
yeah yeah if you're going to research pa

2124
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:22,000
that's where you're going to know that

2125
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:24,000
for the most part

2126
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:27,920
uh but you know

2127
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:30,159
these sightings are statewide so you

2128
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:31,199
know

2129
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:35,120
once before you need help don't hesitate

2130
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:35,520
to

2131
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:38,560
get a hold of me sure yeah i think

2132
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:40,480
you're very you're very fortunate bob

2133
01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:43,360
chance to help you out because he uh

2134
01:23:50,070 --> 01:23:46,960
that guy he's had he's has information

2135
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:50,080
for a lot of different things

2136
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:53,280
and uh you know he's one of the foremost

2137
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:55,199
researchers down there in that area

2138
01:23:58,870 --> 01:23:58,400
in in maryland so you were lucky to be

2139
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:58,880
able to

2140
01:24:02,229 --> 01:24:01,120
reach research very very very very kind

2141
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:02,239
to me he uh

2142
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:04,080
i i think i bugged the heck out of him

2143
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:06,080
but uh

2144
01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:09,120
he uh he's uh he just plopped down his

2145
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:09,520
whole

2146
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:13,440
or five inches thick his file of

2147
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:14,719
sightings he just popped him down in

2148
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:16,159
front of me one day and said go

2149
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:19,760
go get what you need yeah so very good

2150
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:21,520
sat in his house and just poured through

2151
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:23,360
them and and you know made notes

2152
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:25,679
and i mean it couldn't have been nice or

2153
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:27,760
could have been more helpful

2154
01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:30,880
very cool well timothy i want to thank

2155
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:32,080
you for joining us

2156
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:35,760
and uh you know it was an interesting

2157
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:39,520
show and i i hope the the audience

2158
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:42,239
enjoyed our stories

2159
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:44,880
it says it involved you know not only me

2160
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:45,440
but you

2161
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,800
and the things you found out uh but uh

2162
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:50,239
you know i had to get you on here

2163
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:51,280
because

2164
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:53,760
you know i didn't i i didn't know about

2165
01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:55,120
the book until i actually

2166
01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:58,239
accidentally ran across it and

2167
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:01,360
then i think i remember this guy and uh

2168
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:04,800
so i had to get the book and uh

2169
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:06,880
i'm glad it did and you were just on

2170
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:09,040
coast coast the other night weren't you

2171
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:12,719
yeah yeah yeah that go well

2172
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:14,800
i think so yeah yeah it went pretty that

2173
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:16,320
was a surprise they called me because i

2174
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:16,800
guess i

2175
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:18,320
i've been on darkness radio a couple

2176
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:19,840
weeks before that and then they called

2177
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:21,360
me out of nowhere

2178
01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:24,159
i mean i had tried to get on but i never

2179
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:25,920
heard anything from but then then i

2180
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,560
guess after

2181
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:28,719
the darkness radio they called me so

2182
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:30,639
yeah that was that was very nice

2183
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:33,679
did you get a lot of calls from the area

2184
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:36,000
uh just a handful actually it was it was

2185
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:37,360
uh

2186
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:42,400
them were from out of the area

2187
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:45,840
okay well thanks again and uh i'm pretty

2188
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:47,600
sure we'll be keeping in touch

2189
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:50,159
okay very good good evening you let me

2190
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:51,199
know

2191
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:54,239
very good thank you you take care now

2192
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:02,229
there we go folks timothy

2193
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:08,880
renner indeed goodbye

2194
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:10,400
lots of good information there tonight

2195
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:13,360
guys oh it's uh

2196
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:21,189
yeah it looks great i mean anybody

2197
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:21,600
that's

2198
01:26:25,669 --> 01:26:24,239
uh looked into any of any part of it the

2199
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:25,679
bigfoot or the

2200
01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:28,560
the uh stuff that's been going on in

2201
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:30,560
this state for many many many many years

2202
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:31,040
and

2203
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:34,560
he has you know the pictures locations

2204
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,159
he got maps he's got everything

2205
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:38,400
he's got all kind of reports i mean it's

2206
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:40,000
just an amazing amount of research that

2207
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:41,760
went into that book

2208
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:43,520
and i would say to anybody who's out

2209
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:44,800
who's out there that

2210
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:46,800
has any interest in the in the lore and

2211
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:48,639
the the

2212
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:51,040
strange things that happen in our state

2213
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:52,560
this is a must-have book

2214
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:56,960
absolutely absolutely i agree

2215
01:27:00,870 --> 01:27:00,080
so next week we've got tim beckley and

2216
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:00,880
claudia

2217
01:27:06,310 --> 01:27:04,480
cunningham who knows a bit about

2218
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:06,320
men in black and of course butch is

2219
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:07,840
going to be with us because

2220
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:10,960
the book that timothy wrote butch has a

2221
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:12,800
chapter in there

2222
01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:17,270
but you're making the rounds in people's

2223
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:21,990
yeah you got you got in timothy's book a

2224
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:23,520
little bit as well

2225
01:27:27,669 --> 01:27:26,960
yeah yeah so um they'll be joining us

2226
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:27,679
next week

2227
01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:30,400
and uh it should be quite an interesting

2228
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,440
show it's

2229
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:33,280
gonna be a little bit of everything uh

2230
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:34,639
that that book has

2231
01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:39,120
all kinds of creepy creatures in so um

2232
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:42,480
between dog man men in black and bigfoot

2233
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:47,040
and ufology and yeah

2234
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:49,679
yeah it covers the whole gamut yeah yeah

2235
01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:52,080
thanks for joining us everybody and uh

2236
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:54,560
join us next week and have a good